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Post 1 \| New	Posted April 30th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	\| ^-^ \| Attached JPEG Image: esprit_front_3.jpg (103.36kB)

Post 2 \| New	Posted May 1st, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	oh, and here's the back... Attached JPEG Image: esprit_rear_3.jpg (94.14kB)

Post 3 \| New	Posted May 2nd, 2008
Fragdieb2 just öne löuder Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,716	Not bad, definitely hits the squareness of the original. ------------------ Short gigs are like bad sex!

Post 4 \| New	Posted May 2nd, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	yes, it was the easy option for making a basic model that looked good. That or a Lada, but unfortunately there's too many of them already Thanks for posting!

Post 5 \| New	Posted May 3rd, 2008
Azz the barbarian. grrr Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,824 Type: Administrator	Howdy! It's looking good, shape is spot on. My only concern would be the high number of "unnecessary" polygons. When I've done 3d models I've had issues sorting the normals and shading unless I kept a very close reign on where the polys go. For example the rear of the bumper looks like it's a flat plane (might not be, can't tell from this angle). If it is you could get away with maybe 3 polys on there (one in the middle, one at each end to give the rounded look). But if you can get it looking smooth when you texture it then it doesn't matter. :) Are you going to include fins next to each wheel as an extra option? ------------------ azz.gouranga.com est. 1998 (I am oldskoolier than joo)

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Posted May 3rd, 2008

Azz
the barbarian. grrr

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Howdy! It's looking good, shape is spot on. My only concern would be the high number of "unnecessary" polygons. When I've done 3d models I've had issues sorting the normals and shading unless I kept a very close reign on where the polys go. For example the rear of the bumper looks like it's a flat plane (might not be, can't tell from this angle). If it is you could get away with maybe 3 polys on there (one in the middle, one at each end to give the rounded look).

But if you can get it looking smooth when you texture it then it doesn't matter. :)

Are you going to include fins next to each wheel as an extra option?

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azz.gouranga.com
est. 1998
(I am oldskoolier than joo)

Post 6 \| New	Posted May 3rd, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	wahey, I got an answer! yeah, someone on nfscars.net pointed that out, you're quite right about the normals (actually, welding all the vertical rows together on the door will be a huge benefit). Basically the whole car was box modled, but I used too many segments on the primative. I was actually considering making an animation with the wheel covers folding down and the fins shooting out and it floating through water. I'll get around to the rest tomorrow or next week some point, whenever I can stop playing X3...

Post 6 | New

Posted May 3rd, 2008

Mademan
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Posts: 482

wahey, I got an answer!

yeah, someone on nfscars.net pointed that out, you're quite right about the normals (actually, welding all the vertical rows together on the door will be a huge benefit). Basically the whole car was box modled, but I used too many segments on the primative. I was actually considering making an animation with the wheel covers folding down and the fins shooting out and it floating through water. I'll get around to the rest tomorrow or next week some point, whenever I can stop playing X3...

Post 7 \| New	Posted May 5th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	just a short update, have welded a lot of vertices together to clean up the model Attached JPEG Image: esprit_rear_delete.jpg (75.11kB)

Post 8 \| New	Posted May 5th, 2008. Updated May 5th, 2008
Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 1,814	Doing a classic Esprit as your first car is an inspired choice. The proportions look perfect! Just a question of efficiency and neatness now. You should keep using quads (pairs of triangles) so the polygons make a perfect grid. That works better with reflections and so forth. Just use fewer of them than you started with. Edges can be controlled with clever use of normals and "detaching", so I've read. So you shouldn't need multiple narrow lines of polygons in parallel to make edges look right. ------------------ (Grand Theft Auto Handling Editor \| GTA Tutorials)

Post 8 | New

Posted May 5th, 2008. Updated May 5th, 2008

Cerbera
Ben 'Cerbera' Millard

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Doing a classic Esprit as your first car is an inspired choice. The proportions look perfect! Just a question of efficiency and neatness now.

You should keep using quads (pairs of triangles) so the polygons make a perfect grid. That works better with reflections and so forth. Just use fewer of them than you started with. Edges can be controlled with clever use of normals and "detaching", so I've read. So you shouldn't need multiple narrow lines of polygons in parallel to make edges look right.

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(Grand Theft Auto Handling Editor | GTA Tutorials)

Post 9 \| New	Posted May 12th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	Cheers for the feedback Cerbs Just a quick update, been working on some wheels. Attached JPEG Image: t3h_wh33lz.jpg (130.09kB)

Post 10 \| New	Posted October 7th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	w00t, nearly 4 months later he returns! So the original model wound up being a mess of floating vertices, double faces, and god knows what else. The normal map was also completely fucked, to put it mildly. Would have been nice if the wonderous world of edit poly, rather than edit mesh, had been illustrated to me sooner. I've spent my time since june completely re-learning 3dsmax from the edit poly perspective. Make Planar + Target Weld + Edge Constraints = ^ - ^ / This is a complete remake, which, get this, has taken me not quite 2 weeks so far, with some minor normal tweaking yet to do. The first one took 4 months P.S. yes I know the rear wheel looks a bit funny, i think it's that the normals are out of alignment. Silly Lathe modifier............

Post 10 | New

Posted October 7th, 2008

Mademan
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Posts: 482

w00t, nearly 4 months later he returns!

So the original model wound up being a mess of floating vertices, double faces, and god knows what else. The normal map was also completely fucked, to put it mildly. Would have been nice if the wonderous world of edit poly, rather than edit mesh, had been illustrated to me sooner. I've spent my time since june completely re-learning 3dsmax from the edit poly perspective. Make Planar + Target Weld + Edge Constraints = ^ - ^ /

This is a complete remake, which, get this, has taken me not quite 2 weeks so far, with some minor normal tweaking yet to do. The first one took 4 months

http://members.optusnet.com.au/okeeffe1/esprit1.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/okeeffe1/esprit2.jpg

P.S. yes I know the rear wheel looks a bit funny, i think it's that the normals are out of alignment. Silly Lathe modifier............

Post 11 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	And I should mention I'm having a bit of trouble with taking the next step with the model. For starters, Zmod hates me. I've exported a .dff to replace, but when I import zmod imediantly crashes. Can someone send me a .dff file, unlocked, so I can work around this problem? Would be much appreciated.

Post 12 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Fragdieb2 just öne löuder Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,716	I'll can send you an unlocked dff file when I'm at home (at work right now). Which Zmodeler version are you using? Hint: if you really need a dff file unlocked, google for the russian dff unlocker tool. ------------------ Short gigs are like bad sex!

Post 13 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Mademan Certified University Drop-out Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 482	that would be very much appreciated frag, I'm pretty keen to stay away from those fucking Russian GTA sites, they're so dodgy

Post 14 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Daniel Cold and uninviting Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 802	Mademan wrote: I'm pretty keen to stay away from those fucking Russian GTA sites, they're so dodgy They'll be rather better than anything you'll get in gtaforums

Post 15 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Fragdieb2 just öne löuder Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,716	Daniel wrote: Mademan wrote: I'm pretty keen to stay away from those fucking Russian GTA sites, they're so dodgy They'll be rather better than anything you'll get in gtaforums If you only could read them ... ------------------ Short gigs are like bad sex!

Post 16 \| New	Posted October 9th, 2008
Daniel Cold and uninviting Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 802	quite so

Post 17 \| New	Posted October 18th, 2008
Delfi Programmer Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 850	Daniel wrote: Mademan wrote: I'm pretty keen to stay away from those fucking Russian GTA sites, they're so dodgy They'll be rather better than anything you'll get in gtaforums You wish.. there are russians stealing and seilling your mods on ebay right now. ------------------ mathpudding.com

Post 18 \| New	Posted October 19th, 2008
Fragdieb2 just öne löuder Joined: Mar '03 Posts: 1,716	Yes, I guess so. I'm not sure who deserves my anger though, the guys selling stolen mods on ebay or the people stupid enough to buy them? ------------------ Short gigs are like bad sex!

Post 19 \| New	Posted October 20th, 2008
Delfi Programmer Joined: Feb '03 Posts: 850	Fragdieb2 wrote: Yes, I guess so. I'm not sure who deserves my anger though, the guys selling stolen mods on ebay or the people stupid enough to buy them? obviously the ones who sell them, as the others are too stupid to know what they are buying aniway. ------------------ mathpudding.com

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