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PENCIL TRICK, JESUS.

I've spent the last two hours, thinking it through. The main thought was "What in the hell just hit me?"

Yes, I did enjoy that, it felt like five movies rolled into one and my bladder hurt at the end, but that's how I like it. I got my money's worth, yessir. I did love the scene with the Joker is waddling away from the hospital. Utterly barking.

Oh yes, and the scene with Harvey on the hospital bed utterly terrified me for some reason. I knew what was coming, but the way it was handled was excellent, the score jangling the nerves and the reveal blew my mind. Quite a few people in the packed cinema gasped. Not sure if I did too, but by god, it got a reaction. AND THE COIN, GOD YES.

I only had one misgiving and it was that the hispanic female police officer didn't turn out to be Renee Montoya. Although given what she does, I'd have been upset if it were her too, as it's not in her character.

Now we can proper discuss. Favourite bits? Non favourite bits? Are we all unanimous that it was damned good stuff?

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Batman Beyond is on television for some reason, for the first time in like seven years. It's so good.

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Also, I laughed and found that review very entertaining, but I still find Batman Returns FAR superior over Batman.

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I totally think it's a minority view, for sure, but I didn't dig it. Also, although I think Batman does kill a few people in the first movie, but in Returns, it starts getting unpleasant. Batman should not for instance, attach a bomb to a guy, toss him down a manhole and then grin like it's the coolest thing in the world. Not unless he's written by Frank Miller at his most batshit (LOOKOUT, PUNS AHOY) insane anyway.

I thought of a third logic bomb as well and it's the final shot of the movie. I don't feel like explaining, but if you ever see it, you'll see it makes no sense at all.

I don't think Returns is bad, but it's not as fun or funny as the first. The record scratching moment is excellent though.

"I PLAYED THIS STINKING CITY LIKE A HARP FROM HELL!" *WICKI WICKI* "HARP FROM HELL!"

For that alone, I can't truly dismiss it.

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Posted July 27th, 2008
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*  All of the hospital  scene was great I was thinking the joker was not going to get out of there alive when he had the gun in his mouth; passing the torch if you will to Harvey.  He just had such an uncaring look on his face like it wouldn’t matter if he died then and there.

*  I love how the joker can be terrifying and hilarious at the same time, wearing a nurse’s outfit complete with skirt waddling down the street fiddling with a bomb remote.  Alsohow disturbed and sick all of the joker’s doings are, using his own goons and Innocent people as expendable tools.

*  Everything is so brilliant and properly dark; one thing for sure this is not a kid’s movie as you could pass off the other ones as; for the next batman I hope they go the full-hog and give it an R rating to really let two-face run a muck on the big screen.

*  It’s a shame the tumbler got destroyed; it was a character all in it’s own and I would like to see it return for the next instalment, maybe with a few upgrades; it’s to soon for a new evolution of the bat mobile I feel.

*  The only small problem I had with the movie was when the gunshots when off during the police march and everyone scatters like scared rats.  Your police officers for god’s sake.

*  Obviously I’m a huge fan of ledgers joker and now with the end of this movie it’s going to be hard to continue without him; The joker is batman’s true enemy and every other bad guy is a bit of an add-on (correct me if I’m wrong their Adam)

*  They may have to cast another joker for the next film I would be OK with it, thoughts?
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I agree with everything there, with the added coda that the only other thing that really bothered me was Bale taking the growly voice a bit too far during the final scenes. It's alright when it's being used to frighten the shit out of somebody, but it's lessened when trying to give big, serious speeches.

I think though, more so than Batman/Bruce, Gordon and Dent are the beating hearts of this film. When Dent gets crushed, you get crushed with him. When Gordon's begging for his family's life, you're begging with him. Gary Oldman has always been one of my favourite actors, so to have him in a Batman movie is just fantastic. He was likeable and flustered in Begins, but he really comes into his own in TDK.
 
Ledger's mannerisms, every little tic seems so perfectly judged. There's some times where it's not the laugh or the grin that's scary, but the eyes, or the constant licking of the lips. The laugh helps though, especially when he's tumbling towards the street possibly to his doom. His jokes are only funny to himself. His plots and schemes, all very, very, very Killing Joke, very fitting. Spoiler:
The bombs on the boats is a classic Joker ruse. I'm pretty sure that if either one had set their detonator off, they'd have blown themselves up.

Also, big ups to Zimmer and Newton Howard for refusing to go down the obvious route of a hummable melodic "DUN DUN DUN" Elfman theme for the Joker. The terrifying abstract rising scream of strings is far more effective than anything else they could have done. It's definately one of those scores I can't imagine working outside of the context of the film, but by god, it works with it.

The action is all faultless, love that truck chase. The moment you see that burning fire engine, you know they're in the shit.

Also Andy, as for what you say about The Joker being Batman's true enemy, absolutely. I'd rather that they gave him a rest for the next movie, but he has to come back and I'd be fine with a recasting. I'd even go as far as saying it'd be good to see somebody else give the character a spin, because there's so many sides to him.

It's all very well going "Ooooh, I wonder who they'd use for the next movie", but as with Ledger, I reckon Nolan will have another surprise in store. As it is, even if there was another movie, they'd have to work damned hard to top this. Not impossible, but probably very difficult.

I could keep going on and on for days about Dark Knight. It's got so much substance to it, so much quality flying across the screen, the more I think about it, the more I find things I like about it. I'm going to go and see it again next week, for sure.

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Yeah I want to see it again, because I don’t think I will be able to wait the half-year it takes to come out on DVD.

Also if I do it will be the first movie I see twice in theatres EVER. Woo.
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Takes something special to get me to go twice it really does.

Jurassic Park, I think was the first I had to go back for a second try. It was one of those mindblowing things to a 13 year old. I went to see Kill Bill three times, to my eternal shame. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I wanted to go again, but I had monetary problems bought on by the sudden lack of a job.

There's Quantum of Solace coming which is exciting, sure, but I found the trailer for Watchmen last week, so there's still things after Bond to get all sweaty and over excited about.



It's an incredibly long shot, but even if they only manage to capture half the depth and power of the source material, then it'll knock Dark Knight into a cocked hat. Like I say though, long shot and "From the director of 300" doesn't inspire much hope either.

I am rather relieved they've stuck with the alternative reality 1980's as a setting though.

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i saw WALL-E twice.

of course, i was persuaded by a girl the second time, but i secretly enjoyed every second of it, nonetheless. i'm honestly disappointed that only a select minority of Digg users and xkcd worshipers appreciated it as much as i did, though i knew it wasn't ever going to beat out TDK in a summer box-office brawl. but, come on - Journey to the Center of the Earth? Space Chimps? Hancock?! were those REALLY better than WALL-E???

i think that's, honestly, the first movie i've ever seen twice in a theater. granted, i've been known to walk out of theaters fairly often.

once i even demanded my money back.

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okay, i lied.

i just remembered that i saw National Treasure twice in theaters - though, it wasn't because it was SO GOOD i had to see it again.

i saw it once with my dad when it came out, and then again on Ruth and me's first date, she wanted to see it (and i didn't tell her i had already seen it).

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Hancock really pissed me off because it was squandered potential and one half of a good comedy. The first 45 or so minuites were quite forgettable, charming, breezy daftness with a few good laughs, then suddenly it takes a left turn into serious (sort of) superhero stuff and dies on its arse. Fucks sake, it had so much potential too.

I've never walked out of a theatre, although I did come close during The Man, with Samuel L. Jackson and Eugine Levy. That was a supremely irritating comedy with no laughs whatsoever. If there's one thing I hate, it's bad comedy, because bad drama, bad science fiction, bad action movies, whatever, they can be laugh riots. A bad comedy can't. I'm ashamed to say, I never walked out of Scary Movie 3 either, simply because early on in the movie, Charlie Sheen acts out the most hilarious bit of visual sight gaggery ever and from that point on, I was hoping the film would get as funny as that again. It didn't, plus it had the added horror of an elderly Leslie Nielsen announcing "I'm so excited, my nipples are hard!".



The bong is precisely the moment when it stops being funny.

Finally, I've convinced myself that buying copies of Forever and B&R would be a good idea, so if you want me to turn my snipey bitching on these two, just say the word.

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Maindrian wrote:
Takes something special to get me to go twice it really does.

Jurassic Park, I think was the first I had to go back for a second try. It was one of those mindblowing things to a 13 year old. I went to see Kill Bill three times, to my eternal shame. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, I wanted to go again, but I had monetary problems bought on by the sudden lack of a job.

There's Quantum of Solace coming which is exciting, sure, but I found the trailer for Watchmen last week, so there's still things after Bond to get all sweaty and over excited about.



It's an incredibly long shot, but even if they only manage to capture half the depth and power of the source material, then it'll knock Dark Knight into a cocked hat. Like I say though, long shot and "From the director of 300" doesn't inspire much hope either.

I am rather relieved they've stuck with the alternative reality 1980's as a setting though.


I know what the watchmen is but I have never seen even one page of it.  It’s not very universally known unless you read comic books, (unlike Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Hulk) and that’s not a very big market for the box-office; to violent and hard to understand for kids, to kiddie and ludicrous for adults.  Plus the whole trailer seems to be filmed in SLOW-MOOOOO.
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All absolutely true Andy. I didn't even notice the slow motion, but spot on observation. That's even more worrying. As is the use of the Smashing Pumpkins song from Batman & Robin of all things.

I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt until I've seen it though. As an Alan Moore adaptation, it'll never be as poor as the unholy trinity of V For Vendetta, From Hell or The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. But then, I've been known to be wrong before.

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Hellboy 2 was as stupid as string beans served in socks.

I wasn't planning on seeing it, but a friend's family invited me to come along. I fell asleep during it- during the CLIMAX of all parts- and I never fall asleep during movies.

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You didn't ask for it! But you're getting it! Suffer with me, bastards!!!

Batman Forever

I don't know where to begin. The security guard with the glasses in the opening scene stepped right out of a poor 50's American Sitcom. The batsuit looks cool until they blow it up and replace it with some ghastly silver sonar thing. Jim Carrey is super fruity. Robin is a complete dick. Nice Nightwing reference. Nicole Kidman is vacant sluttery. The Batmobile wobbles like it's made out of rubber and drives up walls. Clusterfuck. Holy rusted metal. My brain has melted. JESUS CHRIST THIS IS TIRESOME. FUCK OFF TWO-FACE.



Oh, it's finished. Good.

I think that about sums it up. God help me, I'm going to watch Batman and Robin in a while. Please, wish me luck. If I am never heard from again, it's because I will be dribbling in the corner of a padded room in Arkham.

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Oh Christ; now that movie is about twice as dumb as forever.

But I am hanging out for your review and possible brain damage.  Gods speed.

Just remember to see Dark Knight again.
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hi guys, I've been AFK for a while, but NOW IM BACK WITH REVIEWS TOO

Original Batman: awesome.

Batman himself was good, the Nichy was obviously awesome as the Joker, and I couldn't imagine how TDK's joker could top it. One of the things I liked about Batman was that I thought it was really dark. I mean, there was obviously lots of humour, and I probably missed a lot of the humour at my young age (as Adam said, it didn't age well, I expect this is partly why). Gotham seemed so disgusting and dark and a terrible place, it was perfect. It seemed to depressing.

Batman Returns was OK, but even back then I thought it was a bit dumb. All other flims after that are a blur to me, a forgettable blur.

But the original Batman - WIN.

I enjoyed Batman Begins. I only saw it once, in the cinema, and I probably should have rewatched before I saw TDK as I'd forgotten shit. Not much to say on it really, other than the fact I remember liking it, and liked the way it started out.

TDK was fucking awesome, it's actually been a really long time since I liked a film that much. I'm a real cynic when it comes to films... I mean I tend to go easy on most films to the point where I don't generally declare anything as crap, but most films I see I mentally put in the "good in it's own way but I don't want to see it again" category. Like the latest Indiana Jones film... it kept me entertained, but honestly I have no huge desire to ever see it again. I just didn't think it was that great.

TDK though, I'd be tempted to see again AT THE CINEMA. I have never ever watched something at the cinema twice, but I nearly went again to see it. AWESOME.

The new joker was fucking perfect. Not to detract from J Nichy, but the new joker is even darker and more twisted. It's a different kind of character I suppose, but it's totally awesome.

GREAT FILM. Words I rarely say. I'm not even that much of a Batman fan... generally I don't like these comic book come movie things. Although I've always liked Batman more than others, because it doesn't involve magic powers or shit like that. Just physics and technology baby.

Forgive this mess of a post, I can't be fucked to proof read it, I'm just throwing it out there.
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Well, well, well, well. I've hit the home stretch.

Batman and Robin

B&R didn't leave me drooling like Forever. I've no idea why. It's by far the worser of the two, it's a poorly acted, soul crushing, visual nightmare. Every scene in this movie contains neon hell. If I'd have woken up this morning with bleeding eyes, I would not have been surprised.

And yet...

I must have had my willfully stupid Bad Movie hat on. It's a terrible piece of shit, for sure, but it entertained me with it's badness. Dare I say it, I had fun.

I think it's Michael Gough. He's so affecting in B&R, it's sad to think it would be the last time he'd ever play Alfred, but it doesn't dishonour him in any way, because he's the best thing in the movie, rising above and beyond even the worst of it. Sadly, Pat Hingle's last turn as Commissioner Gordon is his usual ineffective buffoonery. Right down to the opening scene where Bats is in his car and Gordon pops up on the screen, delivering his lines like it were the opening of a late eighties video game.

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Clooney as the Batman is absurd, bumbling out lame one liners ("This is why superman works alone.") like Adam West without the wit. However, as plain old Bruce Wayne, he cuts quite a convincing figure and the chemistry he has with Alfred, again, very touching. So, he can do the rich playboy effortlessly, he just falls down on the heroic part. I might be giving him too much credit, but he's a damn sight better than Val "Made of Fucking Wood" Kilmer.

Chris O' Dooberry isn't so bad either. Robin is still a complete nobhead, but now he has something of a rival in the bad sidekick stakes, so for all his "COWABUNGA!" he gets off fairly lightly. He does actually click with Clooney, even if they do both have to deliver the most ridiculous shit.

Batgirl. Oh boy. What on earth is wrong with Alicia Silverstone's lips? Her lower lip wobbles all over the place whenever she talks, sometimes it looks like she's gurning. In fact, her very first closeup, she's wearing the sort of face you'd find on a... Oh god, it's too much of a resemblance.

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I don't want to be too harsh on the lady, I understand B&R was a career killer for her, leading to journalists chasing her down the street screaming "FATGIRL!", which is a bit much. She's not very good, but she's not the worst of it by a long shot.

The worst of it? It's not Arnie. He's hilarious, for all the wrong reasons. To see the man going so far over the top after a career built on underplaying everything is spectacular. The horrible, horrible puns, the terrible blue neon freakshow costume (no worse than the comic book outfit, I have to admit), the frenzied, gutteral delivery of such lines as "DERE! KILL DEM! KILL DE HEROES!" Wow. Schwarzenegger unleashed! There are times when he's explaining his grand, retarded schemes and it reminds me of Bela Lugosi in Bride of the Monster and I have a little smile.

Uma Thurman isn't taking this seriously. Almost every scene Poison Ivy is in, she's overplaying everything, vamping it up to the max, just like Schwarzenegger. It's quite amusing at first, but later on, she starts to seem a little bored with it all. Even her downfall is stupid. She gets stuck in a giant plant, legs flailing. Big whoop.

I got a big belly laugh out of the final scene between Mr. Freeze and Ivy. In the light of Arnie's groping scandals, I just found the idea of him being locked in a cell with Uma Thurman amusing as hell. Especially her facial expression. Like, "oh, shit." Can't blame him really, she does have some mighty boobs.

The mad scientist at the start of the movie is utterly hilarious and I love him. "...I'm afraid you'll have to die..."

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Now I will start getting nasty. Bane. I fucking love Bane, but the Bane of this movie is not him. Bane is cunning, clever and a genuine threat. The Bane of B&R is a henchman. A really thick monosyllabic henchman who has more in common with the Incredible Hulk. He charges through walls and grunts and is totally shit. Pitiful shit.

The worst thing. The very worst thing is... I don't know. The plot is the usual nonsensical (ice) laser beam blah de blah. All bollocks. The set design makes it feel more like a musical than a superhero movie, all spotlights and gigantic, bizarre sets. The super fruity costumes don't help in that regard either. In the space of one movie, Arkham seems to have relocated itself from a haunted forest to a cathedral the top of a bloody mountain... Oh god, I'm getting onto logic faults again, just like in Batman Returns. I don't want to go there again, otherwise I'd be here all night explaining why an observatory in the middle of a city is such a useless idea.

I can't nail precisely why this movie is bad, but it is. It's like Xanadu with a gimp mask on. The Avengers with more codpieces. Battlefield Earth... With... No, hang on, let's not go too far. I started so strong, now it's all going to hell. I'm running out. It's not so bad it's good, but it is so bad you're constantly surprised that Warner Brothers had the audacity to put this movie out as it is. It's never boring. Every scene contains some crazy jawdropper.

I can't sum it up, so I'll leave the director to do so for me.



(IT'S NOT FINISHED)

Along with the two Schumacher movies, I also got Gotham Knight, which looked fairly dire, but actually turned out to be quite fun. It's basically some anime style (no, wait, hear me out...) shorts, loosely connected to the Nolan Batman films. Some of them are excellent, some of them look like complete girly bollocks. All of them entertained me regardless because of Kevin Conroy and  his awesome Bat-voice. Unlike the Animatrix, these don't work too well as prequel material, but I can kind of imagine them better as follow ons. Not quite TDK, but worth a look as long as you can stand some of the more poorly stylised ones. The Bruce Wayne of Field Test looks like fan art of Christian Bale by a 13 year old girl.

(IT'S FINISHED)

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Posted August 18th, 2008
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Mandy you know they are working on a new Batman game using the Unreal 3 engine, done by the same team that made Riddick so it should be nothing short of awesome:

news.teamxbox.com/xbox/17332/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-First-Screenshots/

I'm guessing the big guy is bane?
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