| Post 1 | New | Posted July 14th, 2005. Updated August 30th, 2005 |
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| Pyro GTA2 Scripter & Mapper
| Well, after lots of messing around and tweaking, I'm proud to offer you SanAn Scramble! This 4 player max racing fest will pit the best of you to battle it out to see who really is the king of San Andreas! This is initially a beta, but is more or less complete unless major alterations have to be made. All the details are included inside the zip inside the readme on how to install and play. As a note, a single player version is also available, and the readme details on how to play it. Ideal for practising before you challenge people! Feedback would be grately appreciated! Cerbera will (hopefully) post with the link to download the file.  And before you say, yes the checkpoints are that small! 1x1 in size! Otherwise it would be too easy! ------------------  Quote: "Side effects may include: dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, and halitosis. Magic is not for everyone. Consult your doctor before use." Quote: "Sharper than one of Oscar Wilde's witticisms rolled up, dunked in lemon juice and stabbed in someones eye..." |
| Post 2 | New | Posted July 15th, 2005 |
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| Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard 
| After having tested it, I think the checkpoints should actually be larger. The idea for having 1x1 cube checkpoints was that there would be a GTA2 token on the floor. With the current setting, making the final course correction to get over the actual checkpoint is impossible because the arrow starts moving towards it but lags and there is on other visual clue about where the checkpoint actually is. I think having them as a one block deep strip across the road, like Sektor originally suggested, would be the best bet. The locations of checkpoints when I drafted them were here:  1024x1024 - 300kB. There were some map crashes and some restart zones were on rooves but Pyro sent me a new version of the map which I will try to test somewhen today. I've got so many GTA mods and tools in development that I am struggling to find time for old school pursuits.
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| Post 3 | New | Posted July 15th, 2005 |
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| Post 6 | New | Posted August 13th, 2005 |
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| Post 7 | New | Posted August 13th, 2005 |
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| Post 8 | New | Posted August 14th, 2005 |
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| Post 9 | New | Posted August 14th, 2005. Updated August 14th, 2005 |
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| Post 10 | New | Posted August 14th, 2005 |
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| Deleted Member | Good news...now everyone get ready to eat dust!  |
| Post 12 | New | Posted August 17th, 2005 |
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| Pyro GTA2 Scripter & Mapper
| Right, it's about time I updated this. I'll take a look at the STY file later on, and update the script file and re-release it, hopefully tomorrow. ------------------ Quote: "Side effects may include: dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, and halitosis. Magic is not for everyone. Consult your doctor before use." Quote: "Sharper than one of Oscar Wilde's witticisms rolled up, dunked in lemon juice and stabbed in someones eye..." |
| Post 13 | New | Posted August 18th, 2005 |
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| Pyro GTA2 Scripter & Mapper
| OK, I have the updated version of SanAn now, and will be emailing it to Cerby. Hopefully he'll post the link soon Thanks to all who helped find the bugs (especially in the STY, I've updated that as well) and should now be more or less complete! If there's anything else - just post ------------------ Quote: "Side effects may include: dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, and halitosis. Magic is not for everyone. Consult your doctor before use." Quote: "Sharper than one of Oscar Wilde's witticisms rolled up, dunked in lemon juice and stabbed in someones eye..." |
| Post 14 | New | Posted August 18th, 2005 |
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| Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard
| I've received the file. I didn't realise you had no hosting of your own. You have still not compressed the map - the Map Editor includes the uncompressed data in the GMP as well as the compressed data. Use the GMP Optimiser by Delfi to remove the "Uncompressed map" and "PSX tile indices" but leave in the "GTA2 editor tile collision settings" so that the solidity and of side tiles is preserved. Doing that reduces the filesize from about 6MB to under 0.5MB. Will you be fixing the texturing errors that DMA made in the map? For example, the big hill you drive up at the start has a missing lane divider line on one side. In Eagleside there is a North-south fence across a 4-lane road which has fences in the side where there are buildings. When there is a building face there should not be a fence face as well. The steps for that bridge seem hollow, too. You might as well fix these errors by DMA? How about turning respray shops into scripted respray shops? You could change the bombshop textures to be spray shops and use those, too. Respawn locations are still on top of buildings instead of outside them. Chinatown sign posts are completely solid across the entire width of the cube. I would suggest making them non-solid like the traffic signal posts and perhaps putting TOWER objects on them, although just having them non-solid would be fine. Checkpoints are still only one block in size, which is far too small for fast racing with traffic on the roads. A single-player script which prevented the player from getting a wanted level (setting the max level to zero in the script?) would be great for players to use when practising. Not many people bother with fiddling the player manager or typing in cheats every time. Since the level is about racing and not about fighting the law, the default should be for there to be no cops, imho. (EDIT) Download SanAn Scramble 2.0 - 1.8MB winrar archive. ------------------ (Grand Theft Auto Handling Editor | GTA Tutorials) |
| Post 15 | New | Posted August 19th, 2005 |
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| Post 16 | New | Posted August 19th, 2005 |
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| Pyro GTA2 Scripter & Mapper
| Cerbera wrote: You have still not compressed the map - the Map Editor includes the uncompressed data in the GMP as well as the compressed data. Use the GMP Optimiser by Delfi to remove the "Uncompressed map" and "PSX tile indices" but leave in the "GTA2 editor tile collision settings" so that the solidity and of side tiles is preserved. Doing that reduces the filesize from about 6MB to under 0.5MB. Respawn locations are still on top of buildings instead of outside them. I know why the map in the ZIP has the "unusual" respawn places Cerb - I sent you one before from a different PC that (I think) I forgot to transfer over. I'll fix that and compress it this time  . I was a too busy looking for the errors in the script to do that sorry.Cerbera wrote: Will you be fixing the texturing errors that DMA made in the map? For example, the big hill you drive up at the start has a missing lane divider line on one side. In Eagleside there is a North-south fence across a 4-lane road which has fences in the side where there are buildings. When there is a building face there should not be a fence face as well. The steps for that bridge seem hollow, too. You might as well fix these errors by DMA? As for fixing missing textures, I'll take a look into it, but no promises I'll nail them all as some are pretty hard to spot. Before I spent alot of time fixing up missing tiles from inside tunnels - you'd just drive through it and fall! But, I'll have a look (blame DMA - not me!)Cerbera wrote: How about turning respray shops into scripted respray shops? You could change the bombshop textures to be spray shops and use those, too. I did consider it when making, but I thought not many people would actually visit them (too busy racing!). Even if their car does get a bit 'damaged', you can still find a perfectly good car driving around Changing bombshops to respray shops (the textures) would be pointless as I've mentioned above. Even if I did, I'd change the texture via script rather than inside the map! Now, if it was a simple multiplayer map by just killing etc, then yes, I'd add them. For SanAn, not now... Cerbera wrote: Chinatown sign posts are completely solid across the entire width of the cube. I would suggest making them non-solid like the traffic signal posts and perhaps putting TOWER objects on them, although just having them non-solid would be fine. I'll change this so you can drive straight through. Makes life easier. Cerbera wrote: Checkpoints are still only one block in size, which is far too small for fast racing with traffic on the roads. That's how it'll be... I might make another racing one in one of the other cities with proper checkpoints and no traffic (checkpoints going across the road). Might ask a few people if I can use some of their cars for proper racing style . Might make it in Liberty City... but I'll get this sorted first!Cerbera wrote: A single-player script which prevented the player from getting a wanted level (setting the max level to zero in the script?) would be great for players to use when practising. Not many people bother with fiddling the player manager or typing in cheats every time. Since the level is about racing and not about fighting the law, the default should be for there to be no cops, imho. Well, there are 3 wanted levels in the racing, so I left it in. Might as well make it the same, rather than people wondering why there are cops in multiplayer rather than the practise session... if they want to disable cops, fine, but it just adds a little flavour to it. Sektor wrote: san-an-1p.mmp isn't in the new rar but if you launch that way then it's simple to disable cops. It would only be fun multiplayer, so not worth wasting a mmp file on. I'll re-add the file. I'd rather do it the MMP way rather than making the person manually add it into a Power Manager etc. Sektor wrote: Tyyppi deserves the credit for finding the STY and check point bug. Yes, I didn't remember his name sorry (but it was mentioned!). I'll add it to the readme. Sektor wrote: Can you include the .mis file next time? What for? Unless someone has other plans for it, I'd like to know (not that I'm saying no, just would like a reason). And I take it you mean all .mis files then?------------------ Quote: "Side effects may include: dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, and halitosis. Magic is not for everyone. Consult your doctor before use." Quote: "Sharper than one of Oscar Wilde's witticisms rolled up, dunked in lemon juice and stabbed in someones eye..." |
| Post 17 | New | Posted August 19th, 2005 |
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| Cerbera Ben 'Cerbera' Millard
| Numbered lists might be easier to work with, then we don't have to quote them:-
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| Post 18 | New | Posted August 20th, 2005 |
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| Post 19 | New | Posted August 20th, 2005 |
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| Pyro GTA2 Scripter & Mapper
| So, you're saying even if I collect 24 of them, and you wait for the last one, you'd win? If that's what you're saying, I don't see how that is possible, as I tested them with a few checkpoints (early testing) and seemed to worked fine. I have a counter system in place, that if P1 tags the point, ++ P1 counter (same applies for P2, P3 and P4). At the end (the winner), it checks if checkpoint 25 has been completed, and checks if P1 has more points than the others. If he does, he wins $500,000. Thhis check is done for the other players too. Until I know what's wrong, I won't release an update. Further info is needed ------------------ Quote: "Side effects may include: dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, and halitosis. Magic is not for everyone. Consult your doctor before use." Quote: "Sharper than one of Oscar Wilde's witticisms rolled up, dunked in lemon juice and stabbed in someones eye..." |
| Post 20 | New | Posted August 20th, 2005 |
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